Caluin Graye ("Bud" Halliday, Mafia Team 2) has reached 3 votes and has been lynched.
The game ends in a town win.
I'll post all of my notes and setup stuff soon, discussion is open to all.
The Jason Bourne Mafia Game
- Thread starter The Silver Shroud
- Start date
Caluin Graye ("Bud" Halliday, Mafia Team 2) has reached 3 votes and has been lynched.
The game ends in a town win.
I'll post all of my notes and setup stuff soon, discussion is open to all.
Night Action log (as best as I could organize it on cellphone):
Continue game:
For:
Thingy
Zarn
Leo
D2DC
Kestegs
Against:
Caluin
Zemaj
Possible submitters of night actions:
Zarniwoop
Zemaj
Noodle
Leo
D2DC
Caluin Graye
Prestige7
Drixx
Night Zero
1. D2DC targets Mr_Thingyman for the Mafia team 1 NK (Null result NZero)
2. Prestige 7 Targets Mr_Thingyman for the Mafia team 2 kill. (Null result NZero)
3. Zemaj tracks Noodle (Noodle went nowhere)
Noodle targeted no one (doc action)
No action by Zarn (Jason Bourne)
No action by Drixx (lie detector)
Night 1
1. Zemaj tracks Kestegs (Result: Kestegs went nowhere)
2. Prestige7 Roleblocks D2DC
* D2DC is role blocked, stopping his re-direct to Lindros (Drixx)**
3. Prestige7 targets Drixx for the Mafia (Team 1) NK. (Drixx has 1 shot NK proof)
Does Drixx die?
Answer: No.
Noodle targeted no one (doc action)
*no other night actions submitted*
Night 2:
Zemaj tracks D2DC.
(Result: No result)
Drixx lie detects post #79
(Zarn "I am not mafia")
Result: truth.
Prestige7 Targets Drixx for mafia NK (Martin)
Result: ( Drixx survives)
Prestige7 dies in a counter-sneak attack by Drixx
( 50 % chance ofMartin Lindros after being tortured kills the first person that tries to kill him)
Prestige7 Roleblocks zemaj (conklin)
Result: zemaj roleblocked
Note on Role block of Zemaj and Zemaj's tracking d2dc the same night. Zemaj still gets an answer in pm ( No Result) even though Zemaj was blocked.
D2DC targets Zarniwoop for mafia NK(jason)
Zarniwoop survives.
No other actions submitted
Day 3 votes:
Drixx: 1 Kestegs
Kestegs: 3 Drixx, Zemaj, D2DC
D2DC: 1 CG
Night 3 night actions:
10:49 PM (friday) D2DC
10:43 AM (Saturday) Leo
11:08AM (Monday) Leo confirm
Mafia NK on Drixx
Result/ does Drixx die? A: Drixx dies (One shot NK proof has been used.)
3:31 PM Saturday Zemaj tracks Caluin Graye
Result: No Result (Bud Halliday can't be tracked)
5:01 PM Saturday Drix lie detects post #174, I am town by D2DC. Result: lie
3:02 AM Caluin Graye targets kestegs for mafia NK
Does kestegs die?
A: Yes (no protections of any kind)
Night 4 night actions:
D2dc attempts to NK Zarniwoop (bourne)
Timestamp 12:29 AM Thursday
Result: fail. (Role blocked by zemaj)
(Zarniwoop would have died otherwise)
Zemaj Roleblocks D2DC
Timestamp 8:41 PM Wednesday
Result: d2dc role blocked
Nothing yet from Caluin Graye or Leo
Night 5 night actions:
Caluin Graye targets Leopold Stotch for mafia NK
Result: Leo Dies. (Currently)
Leopold Stotch Targets Zemaj for the Mafia NK
Result: zemaj dies
Zemaj Tracks Leopold Stotch.
(No answer sent as Zemaj died)
Continue game:
For:
Thingy
Zarn
Leo
D2DC
Kestegs
Against:
Caluin
Zemaj
Possible submitters of night actions:
Zarniwoop
Zemaj
Noodle
Leo
D2DC
Caluin Graye
Prestige7
Drixx
Night Zero
1. D2DC targets Mr_Thingyman for the Mafia team 1 NK (Null result NZero)
2. Prestige 7 Targets Mr_Thingyman for the Mafia team 2 kill. (Null result NZero)
3. Zemaj tracks Noodle (Noodle went nowhere)
Noodle targeted no one (doc action)
No action by Zarn (Jason Bourne)
No action by Drixx (lie detector)
Night 1
1. Zemaj tracks Kestegs (Result: Kestegs went nowhere)
2. Prestige7 Roleblocks D2DC
* D2DC is role blocked, stopping his re-direct to Lindros (Drixx)**
3. Prestige7 targets Drixx for the Mafia (Team 1) NK. (Drixx has 1 shot NK proof)
Does Drixx die?
Answer: No.
Noodle targeted no one (doc action)
*no other night actions submitted*
Night 2:
Zemaj tracks D2DC.
(Result: No result)
Drixx lie detects post #79
(Zarn "I am not mafia")
Result: truth.
Prestige7 Targets Drixx for mafia NK (Martin)
Result: ( Drixx survives)
Prestige7 dies in a counter-sneak attack by Drixx
( 50 % chance ofMartin Lindros after being tortured kills the first person that tries to kill him)
Prestige7 Roleblocks zemaj (conklin)
Result: zemaj roleblocked
Note on Role block of Zemaj and Zemaj's tracking d2dc the same night. Zemaj still gets an answer in pm ( No Result) even though Zemaj was blocked.
D2DC targets Zarniwoop for mafia NK(jason)
Zarniwoop survives.
No other actions submitted
Day 3 votes:
Drixx: 1 Kestegs
Kestegs: 3 Drixx, Zemaj, D2DC
D2DC: 1 CG
Night 3 night actions:
10:49 PM (friday) D2DC
10:43 AM (Saturday) Leo
11:08AM (Monday) Leo confirm
Mafia NK on Drixx
Result/ does Drixx die? A: Drixx dies (One shot NK proof has been used.)
3:31 PM Saturday Zemaj tracks Caluin Graye
Result: No Result (Bud Halliday can't be tracked)
5:01 PM Saturday Drix lie detects post #174, I am town by D2DC. Result: lie
3:02 AM Caluin Graye targets kestegs for mafia NK
Does kestegs die?
A: Yes (no protections of any kind)
Night 4 night actions:
D2dc attempts to NK Zarniwoop (bourne)
Timestamp 12:29 AM Thursday
Result: fail. (Role blocked by zemaj)
(Zarniwoop would have died otherwise)
Zemaj Roleblocks D2DC
Timestamp 8:41 PM Wednesday
Result: d2dc role blocked
Nothing yet from Caluin Graye or Leo
Night 5 night actions:
Caluin Graye targets Leopold Stotch for mafia NK
Result: Leo Dies. (Currently)
Leopold Stotch Targets Zemaj for the Mafia NK
Result: zemaj dies
Zemaj Tracks Leopold Stotch.
(No answer sent as Zemaj died)
1. No Cops
2. The Game will start at night, with a 24 hour night phase.
3. No NK will succeed N1 (or N0 or whatever)
4. Anne Held can vote Karim, but the vote doesn't count.
5. Anne Held cannot Lock Karim
6. Karim can lock Anne Held
7. Phone messages between Jason Bourne and another player go through me
8. Half +1 rounded up
9. Jason Bourne messages (phone contact) are allowed at night, but anonymous through mod.
10. No one investigates as mafia/hostile
11. Soraya's laptop only explodes in an NK attempt
12. Mafia have fake claims
13. No post restrictions.
14. the mod can't be killed.
Specific rules for governing Night Actions:
First night (or night 0 if applicable):
No NK attempt succeeds.
Investigations and tracking are unhindered.
No Jason Bourne phone calls.
General:
1. Can Player be tracked?
Yes: Alexander Conklin, Mo Panov, Soraya Moore, Matrin Lindros, Anne Held, Karim*, Luther Lavalle
No: Jason Bourne, Fadi, Karim*, "Bud" Halliday,
*Karim can be tracked, however any action directed at him redirects to Lindros, so essentially Lindros is tracked instead.
2. Investigates as town: Everybody.
3. Can be Roleblocked? (applies to Conklin's Brainwash also)
Yes: Jason Bourne*, Alexander Conklin, Mo Panov, Fadi, Karim**, Luther Lavalle, "Bud" Halliday, Soraya Moore, Martin Lindros
*Bourne: HE can be roleblocked, but this does not block all of his abilities, only his ability to not be tracked and his ability to use a pre paid phone.
**Karim: Can be role blocked which stops his re-direct to Lindros
4. Mo Panov's doc skill: cannot self target. May target anyone.
5. Some night actions are decided by time stamp on the half hour or by the 10 minute.
A) As to NK attempts on Karim: Fail N1. 50% chance N2 based on time stamp (00-29 fail, 30-59 succeed) N3 and on: based on 10 minute time scale. I.E. 00-10 = fail, 11-20, succeed, 21-30 fail, 31-40 succeed, 41-50 fail, 51-60 succeed.
B) As to Mo Panov:
Depending on the time stamp of the PM sent by player, the doc action will be different, I.E., 50% chance of role block. xx:00 to xx:29 results in normal doc save. xx:30 to xx:59 results in a Jailkeeper effect.
6) As to Martin Lindros:
He has a 50% chance to one shot kill his attacker at night, this is due to him being tortured by both Fadi and Karim in the book. The "dice roll" is determined by even or odd Day Stamp on the PM when I receive it. Even date = Martin does not kill his attacker, odd date = Martin kills his attacker.
Role assignment via random role generator:
1. Zarniwoop: Jason Bourne (Town)
2. Zemaj: Alexander Conklin (Town)
3. Noodle: Mo Panov (Town)
4. Leo: Fadi (Mafia Team 1)
5. D2DC: Karim (Mafia Team 1)
6. Prestige7: Luther Lavalle (Mafia Team 2)
7. Caluin Graye: Bud Halliday (Mafia Team 2)
8. Mr_Thingyman: Soraya Moore (Town)
9. Drixx: Martin Lindros (Town)
10. Kestegs: Anne Held (Town)
Do the Mafia have daytalk? Yes.
Mafia fake claims by team:
Team 1:
Fadi = Marie St. Jacques
Karim = Matthew Lerner
Team 2:
Luther Lavalle = Richard P. Kendall
Bud Halliday = Professor Specter
Rule:
If two block type actions target each other?
-The earliest via forum timestamp succeeds.
The below quoted rulset was drafted but not put into effect:
2. The Game will start at night, with a 24 hour night phase.
3. No NK will succeed N1 (or N0 or whatever)
4. Anne Held can vote Karim, but the vote doesn't count.
5. Anne Held cannot Lock Karim
6. Karim can lock Anne Held
7. Phone messages between Jason Bourne and another player go through me
8. Half +1 rounded up
9. Jason Bourne messages (phone contact) are allowed at night, but anonymous through mod.
10. No one investigates as mafia/hostile
11. Soraya's laptop only explodes in an NK attempt
12. Mafia have fake claims
13. No post restrictions.
14. the mod can't be killed.
Specific rules for governing Night Actions:
First night (or night 0 if applicable):
No NK attempt succeeds.
Investigations and tracking are unhindered.
No Jason Bourne phone calls.
General:
1. Can Player be tracked?
Yes: Alexander Conklin, Mo Panov, Soraya Moore, Matrin Lindros, Anne Held, Karim*, Luther Lavalle
No: Jason Bourne, Fadi, Karim*, "Bud" Halliday,
*Karim can be tracked, however any action directed at him redirects to Lindros, so essentially Lindros is tracked instead.
2. Investigates as town: Everybody.
3. Can be Roleblocked? (applies to Conklin's Brainwash also)
Yes: Jason Bourne*, Alexander Conklin, Mo Panov, Fadi, Karim**, Luther Lavalle, "Bud" Halliday, Soraya Moore, Martin Lindros
*Bourne: HE can be roleblocked, but this does not block all of his abilities, only his ability to not be tracked and his ability to use a pre paid phone.
**Karim: Can be role blocked which stops his re-direct to Lindros
4. Mo Panov's doc skill: cannot self target. May target anyone.
5. Some night actions are decided by time stamp on the half hour or by the 10 minute.
A) As to NK attempts on Karim: Fail N1. 50% chance N2 based on time stamp (00-29 fail, 30-59 succeed) N3 and on: based on 10 minute time scale. I.E. 00-10 = fail, 11-20, succeed, 21-30 fail, 31-40 succeed, 41-50 fail, 51-60 succeed.
B) As to Mo Panov:
Depending on the time stamp of the PM sent by player, the doc action will be different, I.E., 50% chance of role block. xx:00 to xx:29 results in normal doc save. xx:30 to xx:59 results in a Jailkeeper effect.
6) As to Martin Lindros:
He has a 50% chance to one shot kill his attacker at night, this is due to him being tortured by both Fadi and Karim in the book. The "dice roll" is determined by even or odd Day Stamp on the PM when I receive it. Even date = Martin does not kill his attacker, odd date = Martin kills his attacker.
Role assignment via random role generator:
1. Zarniwoop: Jason Bourne (Town)
2. Zemaj: Alexander Conklin (Town)
3. Noodle: Mo Panov (Town)
4. Leo: Fadi (Mafia Team 1)
5. D2DC: Karim (Mafia Team 1)
6. Prestige7: Luther Lavalle (Mafia Team 2)
7. Caluin Graye: Bud Halliday (Mafia Team 2)
8. Mr_Thingyman: Soraya Moore (Town)
9. Drixx: Martin Lindros (Town)
10. Kestegs: Anne Held (Town)
Do the Mafia have daytalk? Yes.
Mafia fake claims by team:
Team 1:
Fadi = Marie St. Jacques
Karim = Matthew Lerner
Team 2:
Luther Lavalle = Richard P. Kendall
Bud Halliday = Professor Specter
Rule:
If two block type actions target each other?
-The earliest via forum timestamp succeeds.
The below quoted rulset was drafted but not put into effect:
Game role definitions and mechanics:
[highlight]Jason Bourne[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win.
Jason is a complicated variation on The Jack of All Trades Role.
Abilities:
1. 2x Pre Paid Cell Phone. Usage: Can secretly call (pass a massage through mod) to a random town member. Message can be responded to.
2. One shot Lynch/NK proof. One or the other and not both. This is due to him being a Chameleon and appearing as someone else (lynch proof) and heightened senses/training (NK proof). Once one happens, the other is null.
3. Untrackable at night.
4. In the event of an NK attempt on Jason after one shot has expired, there is a 50% chance that Jason will kill his attacker during an NK attempt. This is decided by the time stamp on the PM to me from whoever sends in the NK on Jason.
Rule: If the time stamp is xx:00 to xx:29, The NK succeeds. If the time stamp is xx:30 to xx:59, Jason Kills his attacker.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Cannot be Roleblocked by Conklin
*Cannot Be Tracked (by Conklin or anyone)
*Can be targeted by Mo Panov (Doctor)
*Investigates as town
*Can be Role Blocked by Luther Lavalle, however this only voids him being untrackable for that night and stops him from using pre paid phones.
*Can be Rolestopped by Lindros
[highlight]Alexander Conklin.[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Alexander Conklin is The Chief of Operations of the CIA, also Friend of Jason Bourne.
Abilities:
1. Tracker.
May target one player per night and track them, seeing who they visit.
2. Brain Washer (Role Blocker)
May Target one player per night and role block them, stopping them from carrying out actions.
3. One shot NK immune, will be story themed as wounded and limping thereafter
Rule on ability use: one or the other, not both
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Cannot track Jason Bourne
*Cannot Brainwash Jason Bourne
*Can track self
*Can be targeted by Mo Panov
*Can Brainwash and Role Block Fadi
*Cannot Track Fadi
[highlight]Mo (Morris) Panov [/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Role: Doctor (Random non kill doctor)
Depending on the time stamp of the PM sent by player, the doc action will be different, I.E., 50% chance of role block. xx:00 to xx:29 results in normal doc save. xx:30 to xx:59 results in a Jailkeeper effect.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Mo Can target everyone.
*Mo Can be tracked
*Mo can be blocked/stopped
[highlight]Fadi[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 1)
Win condition: Mafia team 1 win (eliminate the town and Mafia Team 2)
Ally: Karim
Fadi is a godfather type role.
NK Method: Fire via Carbon Disulfide.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*investigates as Pro Town.
*Cannot Be Tracked
*Has assumed the identity of an innocent hotel clerk named Omarr in order to escape/deceive the town.
[highlight]Karim (Al-Jamil)[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 1)
Win Condition: Mafia team 1 win (eliminate the town and mafia team 2)
Ally: Fadi
Karim has assumed the identity of Martin Lindros after having Martin kidnapped previously.
NK Method: Knife.
*Investigations redirect to the real Lindros, this goes for tracking, watcher abilities.
As to NK attempts: Fail N1. 50% chance N2 based on time stamp (00-29 fail, 30-59 succeed) N3 and on: based on 10 minute time scale. I.E. 00-10 = fail, 11-20, succeed, 21-30 fail, 31-40 succeed, 41-50 fail, 51-60 succeed.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Karim ----> Lindros
[highlight]Luther Lavalle[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 2)
Win Condition: Mafia Team 2 Win. (Kill the town and Mafia team 1)
Ally: Bud Halliday
Mafia Role Blocker.
Investigates as town
NK Weapon: Car bomb
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Investigations directed at Lavalle fail.
[highlight]"Bud" Halliday[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 2)
Win Condition: Mafia Team 2 Win. (Kill The Town and Mafia Team 1)
Godfather role.
investigates as town/innocent
NK Weapon: Pencil in the neck
[highlight]Soraya Moore[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Vanilla Town.
Has an exploding laptop that can be used as a distraction/defense against an NK. (One shot NK defense)
[highlight]Anne Held[/highlight]
Alignment: Town (Mafia Team 1 Sympathizer)
Win Condition : Town Win
Special Rule (s):
Votes by Anne on Karim do not count because she is infatuated with him, however, votes by Karim on Anne count because he has no issue throwing her away.
[highlight]Martin Lindros[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Lie Detector: May quote one post or portion of a post per night and ask me if it's the truth or a lie.
One shot NK proof.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
50% chance of killing his attacker (one shot) because of the rage caused by his being tortured by Fadi and Karim.
50% chance determined buy odd or even calendar date: Even date = Martin does not kill his attacker, odd number date = Martin kills his attacker.
[highlight]Jason Bourne[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win.
Jason is a complicated variation on The Jack of All Trades Role.
Abilities:
1. 2x Pre Paid Cell Phone. Usage: Can secretly call (pass a massage through mod) to a random town member. Message can be responded to.
2. One shot Lynch/NK proof. One or the other and not both. This is due to him being a Chameleon and appearing as someone else (lynch proof) and heightened senses/training (NK proof). Once one happens, the other is null.
3. Untrackable at night.
4. In the event of an NK attempt on Jason after one shot has expired, there is a 50% chance that Jason will kill his attacker during an NK attempt. This is decided by the time stamp on the PM to me from whoever sends in the NK on Jason.
Rule: If the time stamp is xx:00 to xx:29, The NK succeeds. If the time stamp is xx:30 to xx:59, Jason Kills his attacker.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Cannot be Roleblocked by Conklin
*Cannot Be Tracked (by Conklin or anyone)
*Can be targeted by Mo Panov (Doctor)
*Investigates as town
*Can be Role Blocked by Luther Lavalle, however this only voids him being untrackable for that night and stops him from using pre paid phones.
*Can be Rolestopped by Lindros
[highlight]Alexander Conklin.[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Alexander Conklin is The Chief of Operations of the CIA, also Friend of Jason Bourne.
Abilities:
1. Tracker.
May target one player per night and track them, seeing who they visit.
2. Brain Washer (Role Blocker)
May Target one player per night and role block them, stopping them from carrying out actions.
3. One shot NK immune, will be story themed as wounded and limping thereafter
Rule on ability use: one or the other, not both
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Cannot track Jason Bourne
*Cannot Brainwash Jason Bourne
*Can track self
*Can be targeted by Mo Panov
*Can Brainwash and Role Block Fadi
*Cannot Track Fadi
[highlight]Mo (Morris) Panov [/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Role: Doctor (Random non kill doctor)
Depending on the time stamp of the PM sent by player, the doc action will be different, I.E., 50% chance of role block. xx:00 to xx:29 results in normal doc save. xx:30 to xx:59 results in a Jailkeeper effect.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Mo Can target everyone.
*Mo Can be tracked
*Mo can be blocked/stopped
[highlight]Fadi[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 1)
Win condition: Mafia team 1 win (eliminate the town and Mafia Team 2)
Ally: Karim
Fadi is a godfather type role.
NK Method: Fire via Carbon Disulfide.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*investigates as Pro Town.
*Cannot Be Tracked
*Has assumed the identity of an innocent hotel clerk named Omarr in order to escape/deceive the town.
[highlight]Karim (Al-Jamil)[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 1)
Win Condition: Mafia team 1 win (eliminate the town and mafia team 2)
Ally: Fadi
Karim has assumed the identity of Martin Lindros after having Martin kidnapped previously.
NK Method: Knife.
*Investigations redirect to the real Lindros, this goes for tracking, watcher abilities.
As to NK attempts: Fail N1. 50% chance N2 based on time stamp (00-29 fail, 30-59 succeed) N3 and on: based on 10 minute time scale. I.E. 00-10 = fail, 11-20, succeed, 21-30 fail, 31-40 succeed, 41-50 fail, 51-60 succeed.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Karim ----> Lindros
[highlight]Luther Lavalle[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 2)
Win Condition: Mafia Team 2 Win. (Kill the town and Mafia team 1)
Ally: Bud Halliday
Mafia Role Blocker.
Investigates as town
NK Weapon: Car bomb
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
*Investigations directed at Lavalle fail.
[highlight]"Bud" Halliday[/highlight]
Alignment: Mafia (Team 2)
Win Condition: Mafia Team 2 Win. (Kill The Town and Mafia Team 1)
Godfather role.
investigates as town/innocent
NK Weapon: Pencil in the neck
[highlight]Soraya Moore[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Vanilla Town.
Has an exploding laptop that can be used as a distraction/defense against an NK. (One shot NK defense)
[highlight]Anne Held[/highlight]
Alignment: Town (Mafia Team 1 Sympathizer)
Win Condition : Town Win
Special Rule (s):
Votes by Anne on Karim do not count because she is infatuated with him, however, votes by Karim on Anne count because he has no issue throwing her away.
[highlight]Martin Lindros[/highlight]
Alignment: Pro Town
Win Condition: Town Win
Lie Detector: May quote one post or portion of a post per night and ask me if it's the truth or a lie.
One shot NK proof.
Further Rules regarding Interactions with abilities of other players:
50% chance of killing his attacker (one shot) because of the rage caused by his being tortured by Fadi and Karim.
50% chance determined buy odd or even calendar date: Even date = Martin does not kill his attacker, odd number date = Martin kills his attacker.
That's the most fun/anguish I've had in a mafia game in a very long time.
Extremely enjoyable SS.
Extremely enjoyable SS.
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Predicted the 6v2v2 setup on N0! And, I will pat myself on the back for decent scum hunting, of team 2 that is..
Played "town" during the day, and couldnt get a lynch until d5 (on me)..
Played Mafia during night and couldnt muster an NK for four nights..
I think I am ready for a basic setup game after the last two games..
Thanks for hosting Silver!
Played "town" during the day, and couldnt get a lynch until d5 (on me)..
Played Mafia during night and couldnt muster an NK for four nights..
I think I am ready for a basic setup game after the last two games..
Thanks for hosting Silver!
@Mr_Thingyman @Drixx
I know you guys got frustrated, sorry that (Drixx) ended up in one of my custom games after not being here for a long period, and (thingy) sorry that one of my non normal games was one of your first games on site.
Unless I declare a normal standard game or the players want a standard game, most of mine are themed and the game fits the theme and its less standard. I try to balance things out as best I can but can't always do that depending on the theme.
Some of the stuff I would want to do would require more...victims.
I know you guys got frustrated, sorry that (Drixx) ended up in one of my custom games after not being here for a long period, and (thingy) sorry that one of my non normal games was one of your first games on site.
Unless I declare a normal standard game or the players want a standard game, most of mine are themed and the game fits the theme and its less standard. I try to balance things out as best I can but can't always do that depending on the theme.
Some of the stuff I would want to do would require more...victims.
I has also vaguely hinted to each mafia team that it was a team game but did not get more specific, on purpose. The town did not know.
Also, I want to apologize for the sour grapes on the Kestegs failed lynch. I shouldn't have whined about it since I'm the one that didn't read the rules through.
@Prestige7
You really need to start participating in post game, dead threads, etc. It's part of how you get better at playing. I've noticed you don't follow the rest of the game, nor do you comment on anything after you're dead if you die.
You really need to start participating in post game, dead threads, etc. It's part of how you get better at playing. I've noticed you don't follow the rest of the game, nor do you comment on anything after you're dead if you die.
Hurray, thought dump time! I have about 20 minutes before I have to leave so I'll post what I can and catch up later.
First - I claimed vig but offered no breadcrumb to trace back to.
Of course I am scum.
I'm honestly surprised it took so long to lynch me as it did. It was helpful that other people in the thread were also on a different scum team that I could hunt and make myself look like town in doing so. I am extremely proud of myself for using my team mate's death (Prestige) and using it to draw links to the 2.5 mafia members of the opposing team.
Thingy did a great job of attacking me on the last day, and Zarni made the correct call at the end. Well done both of you.
The +1 Vote:
zemaj talked about this in thread and I promised to come back to it afterwards.
We've had the "half rounded up +1" rule for a very long time, and it's always driven me nuts. But, it's not the +1 part that is the problem. Without it, you get situations of "Eight alive, four votes to lynch". But if four people vote one way and four other vote another, who's the lynchee?
No, it's the "rounded up" that ruins the voting structure. That makes even days work fine (Eight alive means five to lynch, which is perfect), but odd days are screwed up in the process (seven alive means still five to lynch).
I tried changing that subtly in games that I was running (changed to "rounded down") to combat this, but it still creeps in from time to time. We as a whole need to be more consistent about what rules we run our games. "Half alive rounded down +1" is pretty standard. If you want +1 from that for a lock, that's great. But please, let's stop using the 'rounded up' part of that obsolete rule.
More on this later.
First - I claimed vig but offered no breadcrumb to trace back to.
Of course I am scum.
I'm honestly surprised it took so long to lynch me as it did. It was helpful that other people in the thread were also on a different scum team that I could hunt and make myself look like town in doing so. I am extremely proud of myself for using my team mate's death (Prestige) and using it to draw links to the 2.5 mafia members of the opposing team.
Thingy did a great job of attacking me on the last day, and Zarni made the correct call at the end. Well done both of you.
The +1 Vote:
zemaj talked about this in thread and I promised to come back to it afterwards.
We've had the "half rounded up +1" rule for a very long time, and it's always driven me nuts. But, it's not the +1 part that is the problem. Without it, you get situations of "Eight alive, four votes to lynch". But if four people vote one way and four other vote another, who's the lynchee?
No, it's the "rounded up" that ruins the voting structure. That makes even days work fine (Eight alive means five to lynch, which is perfect), but odd days are screwed up in the process (seven alive means still five to lynch).
I tried changing that subtly in games that I was running (changed to "rounded down") to combat this, but it still creeps in from time to time. We as a whole need to be more consistent about what rules we run our games. "Half alive rounded down +1" is pretty standard. If you want +1 from that for a lock, that's great. But please, let's stop using the 'rounded up' part of that obsolete rule.
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Im like "I am town" then immediately PM Silver "Drixx gotta die.." Glad Leo got the NK though..
Im like "I am town" then immediately PM Silver "Drixx gotta die.." Glad Leo got the NK though..
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I thought about that. I think I started using the +1 from back in the day when people like Thundercat were also using it. I never liked it either which was why I created the voting rule regarding majority, which was edited into a cut and paste from an old rule set, I did not realize the second part of paragraph complicated the problem. It also screws things in a situation where you have three alive (this very game for example) the half plus 1 rounded up means that out of three people alive, you need all three to vote the same for a lynch to succeed. Which isn't going to be fair to all sides.
I'm going to write up a completely new template for myself and use rounded down instead.
@DiabloTwoinDC - I should have made it even more fun and require you and your partner to decide who sends in what individually lol
I thought about that. I think I started using the +1 from back in the day when people like Thundercat were also using it. I never liked it either which was why I created the voting rule regarding majority, which was edited into a cut and paste from an old rule set, I did not realize the second part of paragraph complicated the problem. It also screws things in a situation where you have three alive (this very game for example) the half plus 1 rounded up means that out of three people alive, you need all three to vote the same for a lynch to succeed. Which isn't going to be fair to all sides.
I'm going to write up a completely new template for myself and use rounded down instead.
@DiabloTwoinDC - I should have made it even more fun and require you and your partner to decide who sends in what individually lol
@Zarniwoop - well, nobody was gonna vote you.. so gotta try the NK.
vote on Zarn late game would have been a lynch
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Im like "I am town" then immediately PM Silver "Drixx gotta die.." Glad Leo got the NK though..
Gotta say, I was both super happy and super pissed that you killed Drixx. We shot him twice and failed both times, and even lost one of our team in doing so.
Though that makes me wonder - why did Drixx survive the second attempt from Prestige? His one-shot NK immune was broken by that point. Why didn't both of them die?
Drixx was Martin Lindros, who had a chance to kill his attacker. This is how Prestige died. I hadn't thought to decide if Drixx survived that particular attempt (where he ends up killing his attacker) or if he doesn't survive. So I did not rule him dead in that case specifically because I had not thought to write a role on if he would still die at the same time.
So, I've played in a lot of weird games, in a lot of frustrating games, and a lot of 'edge of your seat' games. I've played in games where I've been killed off on N0 (so not really played, I guess), and a lot of games where I've survived until the end.
Before now, I don't think I've ever played in a game where the moderator flat out lied to me.
First, the role. I was given the role of 'Godfather'. I was not given specifics of what that role was, but as Godfather is an extremely common role I did not think about it too much. Godfather means, to me and I hope everyone else, "investigates as town when targeted by the cop."
But that's not what my role did, was it? I was actually "track immune", which is an entirely different role. Zemaj even stated that mid-way through the game - 'Ninja'.
This completely changed the way I would have played the role. I have Prestige performing the night kills because if he was tracked, it'd show him running around to multiple people and would give confusing results. I wanted to have an alibi if I was tracked, showing that I was not performing any illicit actions at night. Had I known I was track-immune at the start, it would have been me performing the kills, and summarily, killed off by Drixx's counter-strike.
I even asked Shroud about this when I started to suspect there were no cops in the game. I asked specifically if I was track immune due to the Godfather role. The response was "No comment."
Second lie was the final night phase. There were five alive during the night, and D2inDC had just been lynched. I knew there was a second mafia member out there, and was about 75% sure it was Leo. So I was left with a choice - do I shoot a confirmed town and try to thin the herd? Or do I shoot for opposing mafia and hope they don't shoot me back? Or do I shoot nobody, hope mafia kills someone not me, and get town to lynch Leo?
I cannot shoot Zarniwoop because of the track risk (Because remember, I don't know that I'm track immune!).
I cannot shoot zemaj as he's my biggest supporter among the town.
I can shoot Leo, but she's my easiest Lynch target.
I can shoot Thingy, but he's my backup lynch target what with the Vanilla claim.
On top of that, Mafia team 1 will shoot someone and I don't know for certain who. I suspect it will be me, but I have to play as if I'll survive the night.
So, in my shoes, what would you do? I elected to ask the moderator if the voting rules are correct. As detailed in post #194, three people alive means nobody is lynchable. It's not a great solution, but it does seem like a path to victory - if two people die in the night and I'm left alive, then I should be able to pull a victory.
Let me repeat that - I asked the moderator if the above was correct, even detailing my throught process about my path to victory. My response was "That is unfortunately correct."
So that's what I went with I shot Leo, expecting her to flip mafia, leaving me unlynchable with two people who probably have no kill mechanism.
Then the day phase starts and the rules were changed. Words cannot express how pissed off I was. I thought about just self-voting and ending the farce, but no - that would have been unprofessional and disrespectful to Thingy and Zarni, so I did not. But, as Thingy points out, my heart was not really in it and my responses were terse.
Had I known the vote rules would have changed my final night action would have been significantly different. I would have elected to not shoot anyone, left the town at four members, claimed out as a one-shot vig and attempted to swing the town to a Leo lynch.
That is unacceptable in my book. I knew going in that this game would be frustrating, but I did not expect this level of bastard moderation.
So I ask - am I over reacting? If so, then I'll offer an apology to Shroud.
Before now, I don't think I've ever played in a game where the moderator flat out lied to me.
First, the role. I was given the role of 'Godfather'. I was not given specifics of what that role was, but as Godfather is an extremely common role I did not think about it too much. Godfather means, to me and I hope everyone else, "investigates as town when targeted by the cop."
But that's not what my role did, was it? I was actually "track immune", which is an entirely different role. Zemaj even stated that mid-way through the game - 'Ninja'.
This completely changed the way I would have played the role. I have Prestige performing the night kills because if he was tracked, it'd show him running around to multiple people and would give confusing results. I wanted to have an alibi if I was tracked, showing that I was not performing any illicit actions at night. Had I known I was track-immune at the start, it would have been me performing the kills, and summarily, killed off by Drixx's counter-strike.
I even asked Shroud about this when I started to suspect there were no cops in the game. I asked specifically if I was track immune due to the Godfather role. The response was "No comment."
Second lie was the final night phase. There were five alive during the night, and D2inDC had just been lynched. I knew there was a second mafia member out there, and was about 75% sure it was Leo. So I was left with a choice - do I shoot a confirmed town and try to thin the herd? Or do I shoot for opposing mafia and hope they don't shoot me back? Or do I shoot nobody, hope mafia kills someone not me, and get town to lynch Leo?
I cannot shoot Zarniwoop because of the track risk (Because remember, I don't know that I'm track immune!).
I cannot shoot zemaj as he's my biggest supporter among the town.
I can shoot Leo, but she's my easiest Lynch target.
I can shoot Thingy, but he's my backup lynch target what with the Vanilla claim.
On top of that, Mafia team 1 will shoot someone and I don't know for certain who. I suspect it will be me, but I have to play as if I'll survive the night.
So, in my shoes, what would you do? I elected to ask the moderator if the voting rules are correct. As detailed in post #194, three people alive means nobody is lynchable. It's not a great solution, but it does seem like a path to victory - if two people die in the night and I'm left alive, then I should be able to pull a victory.
Let me repeat that - I asked the moderator if the above was correct, even detailing my throught process about my path to victory. My response was "That is unfortunately correct."
So that's what I went with I shot Leo, expecting her to flip mafia, leaving me unlynchable with two people who probably have no kill mechanism.
Then the day phase starts and the rules were changed. Words cannot express how pissed off I was. I thought about just self-voting and ending the farce, but no - that would have been unprofessional and disrespectful to Thingy and Zarni, so I did not. But, as Thingy points out, my heart was not really in it and my responses were terse.
Had I known the vote rules would have changed my final night action would have been significantly different. I would have elected to not shoot anyone, left the town at four members, claimed out as a one-shot vig and attempted to swing the town to a Leo lynch.
That is unacceptable in my book. I knew going in that this game would be frustrating, but I did not expect this level of bastard moderation.
So I ask - am I over reacting? If so, then I'll offer an apology to Shroud.
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